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Re: Sex In Christ: A Proposal for Christian Pornography

Doughfish — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:51:22 -0000

What the?!

The concept is just so ridiculous, thats my stand. Pornography is still ponography ~ and worse if its hiding under the blanket of religion (which masks away the evil) and tempts one to sin.

Oh well...the world we live in.

Re: Sex In Christ: A Proposal for Christian Pornography

Guest — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:48:37 -0000

James,

Thank you for visiting.

It depends on the books, I reckon.

Personally, I'm not against married couples wanting to improve their sex lives, but as Christians we need to be more discerning about what we read and watch/listen to. For example, a guide book on tantric sex would be a big no-no because it involves occult practices.

If it's a straightforward book on techniques and so on, I think it's fine. It's also good to read the book(s) together with your spouse.

Re: Sex In Christ: A Proposal for Christian Pornography

James — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:07:26 -0000

Does reading books count the same as the videos for help?

Re: Sex In Christ: A Proposal for Christian Pornography

Guest — Sun, 25 May 2008 08:51:51 -0000

I seriously hope that whoever wrote that did it in jest and it's not for real. Then again, it won't surprise me one bit if it were true. Some churches are more concerned about the sex lives of their congregants than their salvation nowadays...

I agree with a particular pastor (can't remember offhand who now) who said that while techniques and all in the bedroom can be worked on, intimacy between a couple starts with having a right relationship with God and actually seeing the marriage as a representation of Christ and His Church.

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Brenda — Sun, 25 May 2008 05:34:48 -0000

=)) Christian Porn! This is the first I've ever heard of it. My hubby says it's an oxymoron and I totally agree. I was laughing throughout the post. Do these people actually think that making Christian porn makes sense? Really, I wonder at these so-called Christians who forget to use their brains in their 'enthusiasm' to 'help' others. Certainly, lust must have clouded their brains for these people to think up of this! @-)

Re: Sex In Christ: A Proposal for Christian Pornography

Guest — Wed, 21 May 2008 10:59:13 -0000

Shalom, sis Free:

Thank you for dropping by and the encouragement!

Re: Sex In Christ: A Proposal for Christian Pornography

Free — Sat, 10 May 2008 19:48:35 -0000

Hi Isaiah! :-h

I typed an earlier message to you, but lost it in the editing phase due to my own error.

Ditto what most everyone else has stated here, but mostly I wanted to say hello and the new site looks great. Much love and respect to you for the work you're carrying on here.

Love in Messiah,

Free

Re: Sex In Christ: A Proposal for Christian Pornography

Guest — Thu, 08 May 2008 01:36:15 -0000

Welcome back, Shalene!

I have no problem with Christian couples getting help for sexual issues from qualified Christian professionals, but I cannot for one moment condone anything remotely resembling “Christian Porn.”

I agree with you. We must recognize that there are Christian couples out there who face issues in the marriage bed but they need to get help from their local pastor and elders instead of enlisting the help of worldly counselors or *GASP!* 'Christian pornography'. The point you made about not allowing pornography in as if it's a third person in the marriage bed is a very, very good point!

Re: Sex In Christ: A Proposal for Christian Pornography

Guest — Thu, 08 May 2008 01:29:38 -0000

Vincent:

Wow, I can just feel the love for you oozing out from that blog. :o

I read that article you linked, and wished I didn't because it just made me sick to the stomach! That person should be a performer that twists those tube balloons into various shapes -- he's already very good at it doing the same on Scripture!

Re: Sex In Christ: A Proposal for Christian Pornography

Guest — Thu, 08 May 2008 01:25:58 -0000

When you start making concessions, people, you should know the Devil has found a wedge.

Well said, LaVrai, and AMEN!

Re: Sex In Christ: A Proposal for Christian Pornography

Guest — Thu, 08 May 2008 01:25:06 -0000

Shalom, Kings Kid, my good sister! You have encouraged me by visiting my new blog; thank you!

I totally agree with you -- time is short for the devil and he's getting really desperate. It'll get more difficult to get the Truth out as even a majority of Christians succumb to the falsehoods and silence all that warn by calling us unloving, Jezebels and worse names.

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Guest — Thu, 08 May 2008 01:21:20 -0000

CoH:

Great to see you again, sister.

You're right, many Christians will actually accept this nonsense unfortunately. We are in the days of the great falling away. It's my personal opinion that things won't get better, only worse and we'll see more and more heresies crop up and the Truth suppressed and twisted.

Thank you very much for the kind words and encouragement!

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Guest — Thu, 08 May 2008 01:18:54 -0000

heya Bobby, thank you for dropping by, brother! I think you need to get the thermostat in your office checked though. :P

On a serious note, I totally agree with you. Open communication is key as both my wife and I have learned in our decade of marriage. A wise old couple in church once told me that instead of the relationship going stale, a strong Christian marriage is like aged wine -- delicious.

They also advised that when intimacy is also present in other areas of a couple's life, achieved when both husband and wife love each other as God has taught us to, there's no need to fret about issues in the bedroom that the world cares about, e.g. performance. We've found that to be very true.

Re: Sex In Christ: A Proposal for Christian Pornography

Shalene — Wed, 07 May 2008 23:54:05 -0000

Hi Isaiah, Bobby and I were perusing some blogs, and he suggested I come see this post. I cannot believe that there are actually professing Christians that think this is ok!!! :-# As one of the other comments stated, the Bible clearly states that we are to keep the marriage bed pure! The marriage bed is not pure, when we allow anyone else into it, whether by video, or in person. And even if there were an acceptable thing as "Christian Pornography" where in the world do these people get the idea that a 3rd person should EVER be allowed into the bed with them- with or without the other woman's husband's permission! The thought of this just absolutely disgusts me. Having said that then, there are books that are not pornographic at all, that help couples that are having difficulties in the area of their sex life, or are just starting out in their marriages, and have not yet reached a place where they feel free enough to tell each other what they need. They are written by Christian Psychologists and Doctors. One such book is entitled "Created for Intimacy" and it addresses medical issues that effect the bedroom as well. I have no problem with Christian couples getting help for sexual issues from qualified Christian professionals, but I cannot for one moment condone anything remotely resembling "Christian Porn." I'd like to know too...just how is a Christian couple supposed to show coming home from church functions and then jumping into bed??!! Yes God created us all for intimacy and it's a gift from Him, but to go straight from prayer to sex...there just doesn't seem to be any reverence in that thought. Ok enough for now. Blessings to you!

Re: Sex In Christ: A Proposal for Christian Pornography

Carol — Wed, 07 May 2008 23:38:54 -0000

Amen Lavrai!!!! :)

Re: Sex In Christ: A Proposal for Christian Pornography

Vincent Chia — Wed, 07 May 2008 23:09:17 -0000

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Re: Sex In Christ: A Proposal for Christian Pornography

LaVrai — Wed, 07 May 2008 22:26:57 -0000

I can't justify this. Marriage is not about sex. Married couples should have sex, as it is a healthy part of married life. But sex cannot become your focus, your idol -- I don't see how it's OK to purposely stimulate the senses so that you can fulfill the pleasures of the flesh.

You're purposefully attempting to put yourself into a lustful state. And where does it end? How often do you watch?

Pornography is filth...the ends do not justify the means (and why don't you have natural desire for your mate, anyway?). The body is a temple. Keep the marriage bed holy. Do not take these things lightly. And don't forget, you are exposing yourself to someone else's nakedness when watching these things. Don't take such a matter lightly.

If you want to do as the rest of the world, fine. But don't pretend you're still clinging to the Christian Gospel.

And you are indeed putting the desires of the flesh over the Spirit every time you do this. You are making yourself a slave of sex and lust, and instead of thinking on the things of GOD, your HOLY FATHER, you're putting your mind on things that corrupt the flesh and destroy the soul.

There is no such thing as 'Christian pornography' for Jesus Christ is in there nowhere.

When you start making concessions, people, you should know the Devil has found a wedge.

Re: Sex In Christ: A Proposal for Christian Pornography

kingskid — Wed, 07 May 2008 16:05:51 -0000

Hello Isaiah, :-h

I am so happy that your hiatus was short-lived.
Continue to be a watchman on the wall, because this
is only the beginning. :(

Satan's time is short and we all know that he does not
play fair and he uses every means possible to convince
humanity that God is a liar, that has been his MO from t
the start--"And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye
shall not surely die:".

Know your enemy--he IS A LIAR. [-x Always has been;
always will be }:P

Peace

Re: Sex In Christ: A Proposal for Christian Pornography

channelofhealing — Wed, 07 May 2008 14:39:48 -0000

TERRIBLY GODLESS AND SHAMELESS PEOPLE!!! what is wrong with them? am pretty sure so many Christians will agree with this..

Isaiah this is a "big nonsense" if there is any word like that to describe this.
I urge you to keep doing the great work you are doing
can see the blog is back on full force.

Godbless

Re: Sex In Christ: A Proposal for Christian Pornography

BobbyK — Wed, 07 May 2008 14:15:26 -0000

I am absolutely speechless. Pornography is pornography. There are plenty of books out that “talk” of ways to spice up the bedroom part of a marriage. But I won’t read those either.

I think that the best way to improve sex in the marriage is to communicate your desires to each other. Be open and honest with the desires that you have to one another. And ask your spouse what they would like to try. Change is good…real good. If you are in a secure marriage, only good could come from that. If you can’t be open in this area then there are other areas that you should be concerned about, not sex.

It is absolutely amazing the level of intimacy you can reach when you share your desires with each other, without fear of rejection. Can you imagine what it would be like if making love to your spouse was like the first time….every time? It’s even better than that.

I better stop writing now…my office is getting warm for some reason.

God bless!

Re: Sex In Christ: A Proposal for Christian Pornography

Guest — Wed, 07 May 2008 12:19:53 -0000

Welcome, Chris, and thank you for taking the time to expound on those verses in context. It's very much appreciated, brother.

Soli deo Gloria!

Re: Sex In Christ: A Proposal for Christian Pornography

Chris — Wed, 07 May 2008 12:04:49 -0000

Ok, many instances of bad grammar there...but it's 12 in the morning where I am typing from. To think I am an English teacher. Bah.

Re: Sex In Christ: A Proposal for Christian Pornography

Chris — Wed, 07 May 2008 12:03:08 -0000

Hi Thomas,

Just want to respond to your post. I appreciate the respect you have towards the Scriptures, something that is often lost in today's postmodern environment. However, respecting the Scriptures also means interpreting and understanding each verse in a way faithful to its context...that way the verse takes on their own meaning instead of the meaning we impose upon them...

1.) For example 2 Timothy 3:16 is a verse describing the Old Testament (no New Testament existed during Paul's time, NT only came into being after the Church Councils of 367 and 397 A.D.), and it was telling Timothy to hold fast to what the Old Testament has to say about the gospel, versus the teachings of false teachers in the Ephesian Church. The former saves, the latter destroys.

2.) Deuteronomy 4:2 is a command to the Jewish people not to add or subtract from the Law of Moses, because the Law of Moses represented an Ancient Near-Eastern type of treaty between Israel's God and Israel. The treaty was not to be broken or modified at Israel's whim, and from the larger context of Deuteronomy 4, the expected response to the treaty is obedience to the Jewish Law.

3.) Psalm 111 Does talk about the reliability of the Scriptures, but in the sense of how they demonstrate the covenant faithfulness of God to Israel. Coming back to the treaty nature of the Law, this most probably means that the presence of the laws of Moses themselves already demonstrate God's faithful and upright dealings with Israel, because they are a fulfilment of God's promises to Israel's fathers.

4.) 1 Thessalonians 2:13 uses "word of God" in a way quite characteristic of Paul: it refers specifically to the gospel message, rather than to a set of writings. Paul usually has a different term for the written Scripture texts..."graphe" in the Greek, literally, "writings".

So, none of those verses, when properly understood, actually justify simply tagging a verse onto an argument to back it up. In fact, that practice is called "proof-texting", a very flawed interpretive method that doesn't pay attention to what the Bible is actually saying in its own terms.

I hope this spurs your reflections on the Scriptures even more. Because I am a Protestant...sola Scriptura! :)

Re: Sex In Christ: A Proposal for Christian Pornography

Guest — Wed, 07 May 2008 08:10:01 -0000

Thanks for the encouragement, Vincent.

I am a hot-blooded man as well and I can say it's not easy at all. Temptations abound around every corner, and even if you aren't looking for them, sometimes they can jump at you out of the blue and play with your mind.

To be brutally honest, it's a fact that many of us Christian men struggle with pornography.

Re: Sex In Christ: A Proposal for Christian Pornography

Vincent Chia — Wed, 07 May 2008 08:03:57 -0000

Isaiah,

Pornography is often a taboo subject, and I find very few bloggers tackling this important issue (which has plagued thousands - or I dare say tens of thousands - of Christian man and ministers!). So you have done us a favor by posting on this delicate and sensitive subject matter.

Christ's word in the Sermon on the Mount reminds us that looking at another woman/man to lust after her/him is adultery in God's eyes. So, let alone blatant pornography, even a "spicy" advertisement can entice us to sin ...

May God help us to FLEE from sexual sins!

In Christ,
Vincent